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Vedanta is an enquiry:

The main topics of Vedanta are

• Tatva ( Reality)

• Hita ( means of realization)

• Purushartha ( ultimate Goal)

Reality or Tatva is divided into two

• Para ( the ultimate ) or Paramatman

• Apara that what is dependent on the ultimate reality ;

This Apara is divided into two

• Individual souls that have consciousness ( Jeevatman)

• Material entities which have no consciousness ( material universe – Jagat) )

Thus the three realities the Vedanta talks about are

- Paramatman

- Jeevatma

- Jagat

Now we come to the Vedantic Enquiry. The nature of the relation between the three namely Paramatma, Jeevatma and the universe is the Vedantic enquiry.

Specifically

• The first and foremost enquiry is to know the relationship between Paramatma ( ultimate Realty) and Jeevatma ( the individual soul)

• The next enquiry is about the relationship between Paramatma, the individual soul and the body embodying the individual

• The third enquiry is about the individual soul and the material world ( Jagat)

In this all the three Paramatman , Jeeva ( individual) and jagat ( universe) are considered real – with the trio of Vedas , Brahma sutras and Bhagavad-Gita considered as sources .

Vedas have Bheda sruti bringing out the difference between Jeevatma and Paramatma, Abhedasruti bringing out the non-difference of Paramatma and Jeevatma and also the conciliatory statements which try to bridge the difference.

This three fold enquiry resulted in seemingly startling conclusions covering a range of views from the unequivocal Advaita which is Unitary and says there is only One Reality not three (Paramatman, you and Jagat all in one !), the Dvaita which recognizes two separate entities Paramatma and Jeevatma , and then there is Vishishtadvaita a qualified Unitary philosophy .

There is a Saiva system recognizing all the three ( Pati Pasu and Pasa) as inevitable three realities.

All of them base their arguments on the same Vedas.

The Sankara's defense of Advaita left even the western scholars staggered at the sweep of his arguments affirming a single reality that is the human being itself. Sankara has used the Vedas, Brahma Sutras and Bhagavad-Gita to fully establish the point of unitary soul (Advaita) in that sense the Vedas and philosophy affirmed by Sankara is secular.

The Purna prajna basing its philosophy on “Hari” alone (hari sharanam) as the center piece, Saivism basing its philosophy on Siva, Vishidtadvaita keeping the Paramatma and Jeevaatma virtually separate are probably easier to understand and assimilate.

The reference to the difficult river , in the story of Dasamanyaaya , is a very apt analogy and for that reason alone vedas and Vedantists talk hoarse about the step by step process for reaching the level of Sankara's Advaita.

So that is about the lines of … Vedantic Enquiry..

And this is not left as a metaphysical enquiry; the enquiry got embedded into the epics Ramayana and Mahabharata. The Upanishads talk about the same through subtle stories like the dialog between Yama and Nachiketa in Kathopanishad etc

So we continue our enquiry .

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om tat Sat

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This week we move on to chapter 89 from Chapter 88 of Dasama Skandha. The chapter 89 is about Brahma Vishnu and Maheswara ! It starts as usual with a query or a statement from Suka Rajan, " once all the sages were performing a long sacrifice on the banks of the river Saraswati. A discussion arose as to who among the three Lords Brahma Vishnu and Maheswara is the greatest". So that is what Chapter 89 is about. To be more precise the chapter includes more than that. It includes how Krishna and Arjun save the children of a Brahmana !!

This week we also want to convey our condolences to Family of KVV Visweswara Rao who passed away on June 3 2012.

We have also revisited and earlier article now updated - "Hitam manohari cha durlabham Vachah" which translates tosaying it is difficult say nice things and good things at the same time - some times .

What is on the kasarabada.org?

For the new visitors we thought of adding a few lines on navigation , so that they may know what is available on Kasarabada.org !

We now have 85 chapters of Dasama Skandha of Bhagavatam. All these chapters ( stories on krishna) are listed byname and are available on a link on the Bhagavatam page.

We have complete bouquet of articles on Ramayana Role models from Ramayana Srirama , Sita , Hanuman , Jataayu , Sabari , Bharata , Lakshmana. Apart from these there were some special articles namely The Message of Ramayana , Going to the Forests and about Hanuman in "In the thick of the Battle " . Along the same lines are the earlier articles in praise of Hunuman 1 , Hanuman 2 and Valmiki Sundarakanda . Added to this bouquet is the Sundarakanda as a Telugu poem by Pandit Vijayraghavrao. We have also added some downloads specifically for the Sankshipta Sundarakanda ( with Sanskrit slokas) reproduced in different language scripts namely Sanskrit , Telugu , Kannada and Malayalam . There is also a Telugu Sundarakanda Katha for those interested in reading the same as prose story !!,.

One more thing page lists all the earlier stories on its page

To see what is available from the earlier issues you only need to visit the three pages of Ramayanam , Bhagavatam and one more thing. Each page of these banner pages carry the list of all earlier articles . The earlier articles on "one more thing" are also listed on the home page.

Om Tat Sat

_________________________________________________

Witty Wisdom !

- contributed by Kamaraju Turaga

__________________________________________________

Welcome to Kasarabada.org: ARCHIVES

One More thing

Hitam manohari cha

Durlabham Vachah: Revisited

A good advice and pleasing speech may not go together !!

What kind of a friend is he who cannot give a good advice !!

What kind of leader is he who cannot hear a piece of good advice !!.

A good adviser is one who will not tell a lie to please !!

These are part of a dialog in Bharavi's Kiratarjuniyam .

Bharavi is one of the foremost Poets in Sanskrit after Kalidasa. The Kiratarjuniyam consist of many more such gems .

Kiratarjuniyam starts with the spy deployed by Pandavas briefing Dharmaraja about theactivities of the Duryodhana as the King. Bharavi uses this dialog to drive home some truths that are invariably missed by leaders. That Bharavi stated them is a proof of the existence of contrary behavior evening thosedays.

In any case the Vanechara , or the forester who acted as spy said in so many simple words -" I am your employee . It is my duty to tell you the truth . The truth may be pleasant or unpleasant . In either case I need to be forgiven because it is my duty to tell you the truth even if it hurts

" .

The Forester is more loud . he adds the second and third lines .

He says what kind of a friend is he who does not tell the difficult truth and what kind of master is he who does not have the patience or the willingness hear the truth ".

He adds a punch line saying a good adviser is the one who will not tell a lie to please

Real life may not be that simple

We comes across choices where a line of action is proposed which is our own view and which also we know may be the line pleasing to the boss in question , but which may not be correct .

But we will present it anyway in our own way , because we are in love with our line.!!

If there is a line to be read and interpreted we continue to read in our own way even if it is the wrong way. The forester is emphatically saying that it is his duty to explain fully what he knows . His duty is not to become a protagonist but be able to tell fully so that decision is taken on all facts.

In the original Mahabharata Story there is no such episode of a spy telling about the events in Duryodhana's kingdom.

It is a creation of Bharavi . Which also means that by the time of Bharavi, the politics have developed into an art form. Apparently there were bosses who would shoot messengers hence the poet made a point to make the forester - the employee - say the home truths to his Boss .

That Bharavi wrote in those days means that this kind of management problems emnated from that time .

The management Schools available were only the Intellectuals or those Poets writing loudly to bring it to the notice of all !!!

Om Tat Sat

more.. To continue reading click here

The earlier stories.

Charvaka School of Philosophy

On Vedas from the West

Jayamantram

The story of a Bear ( from Ramayana)

Ramudu-Sugunaabhiraamudu

Sahasavidadhita na kriyam..

... 'no not in a hurry'!

Aham nasyaami .. I destroy !! contributed by Tuaraga Rajendraparasad.

"It is not that the holy waters are not altogether Holy

An intelligent man should follow those actions that are consistent and within his realm of action ..( more)

.. I am enquiring , that should be clearly explained! …." Thus spoke Krishna.(more.).

" Peace does not drop from the sky" says Dalai Lama.

Passing away of a stalwart:

Prof Bhavaraju Sarveswara Rao

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Jewel of jewels'

Who is Poor ?

Green message from Bhagava...

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	Athato Brahma Jig... Athato Brahma jignyasaa Vedanta is an enquiry: The main topics of Vedanta are • Tatva ( Reality) • Hita ( means of realization) • Purushartha ( ultimate Goal) Reality or Tatva is divided into two • Para ( the ultimate ) or Paramatman • Apara that what is dependent on the ultimate reality ; This Apara is divided into two • Individual souls that have consciousness ( Jeevatman) • Material entities which have no consciousness ( material universe – Jagat) ) Thus the three realities the Vedanta talks about are - Paramatman - Jeevatma - Jagat Now we come to the Vedantic Enquiry. The nature of the relation between the three namely Paramatma, Jeevatma and the universe is the Vedantic enquiry. Specifically • The first and foremost enquiry is to know the relationship between Paramatma ( ultimate Realty) and Jeevatma ( the individual soul) • The next enquiry is about the relationship between Paramatma, the individual soul and the body embodying the individual • The third enquiry is about the individual soul and the material world ( Jagat) In this all the three Paramatman , Jeeva ( individual) and jagat ( universe) are considered real – with the trio of Vedas , Brahma sutras and Bhagavad-Gita considered as sources . Vedas have Bheda sruti bringing out the difference between Jeevatma and Paramatma, Abhedasruti bringing out the non-difference of Paramatma and Jeevatma and also the conciliatory statements which try to bridge the difference. This three fold enquiry resulted in seemingly startling conclusions covering a range of views from the unequivocal Advaita which is Unitary and says there is only One Reality not three (Paramatman, you and Jagat all in one !), the Dvaita which recognizes two separate entities Paramatma and Jeevatma , and then there is Vishishtadvaita a qualified Unitary philosophy . There is a Saiva system recognizing all the three ( Pati Pasu and Pasa) as inevitable three realities. All of them base their arguments on the same Vedas. The Sankara's defense of Advaita left even the western scholars staggered at the sweep of his arguments affirming a single reality that is the human being itself. Sankara has used the Vedas, Brahma Sutras and Bhagavad-Gita to fully establish the point of unitary soul (Advaita) in that sense the Vedas and philosophy affirmed by Sankara is secular. The Purna prajna basing its philosophy on “Hari” alone (hari sharanam) as the center piece, Saivism basing its philosophy on Siva, Vishidtadvaita keeping the Paramatma and Jeevaatma virtually separate are probably easier to understand and assimilate. The reference to the difficult river , in the story of Dasamanyaaya , is a very apt analogy and for that reason alone vedas and Vedantists talk hoarse about the step by step process for reaching the level of Sankara's Advaita. So that is about the lines of … Vedantic Enquiry.. And this is not left as a metaphysical enquiry; the enquiry got embedded into the epics Ramayana and Mahabharata. The Upanishads talk about the same through subtle stories like the dialog between Yama and Nachiketa in Kathopanishad etc So we continue our enquiry . Click here to continue .... om tat Sat The Vedas The Mahavakyas Upanishads Kathopanishad 1.1 Kathopanishad1.2 Kathopanishad 1.3	Welcome to kasarabada.org : June 8 , 2012 Welcome to kasarabada.org This week we move on to chapter 89 from Chapter 88 of Dasama Skandha. The chapter 89 is about Brahma Vishnu and Maheswara ! It starts as usual with a query or a statement from Suka Rajan, " once all the sages were performing a long sacrifice on the banks of the river Saraswati. A discussion arose as to who among the three Lords Brahma Vishnu and Maheswara is the greatest". So that is what Chapter 89 is about. To be more precise the chapter includes more than that. It includes how Krishna and Arjun save the children of a Brahmana !! This week we also want to convey our condolences to Family of KVV Visweswara Rao who passed away on June 3 2012. We have also revisited and earlier article now updated - "Hitam manohari cha durlabham Vachah" which translates tosaying it is difficult say nice things and good things at the same time - some times . What is on the kasarabada.org? For the new visitors we thought of adding a few lines on navigation , so that they may know what is available on Kasarabada.org ! We now have 85 chapters of Dasama Skandha of Bhagavatam. All these chapters ( stories on krishna) are listed byname and are available on a link on the Bhagavatam page. We have complete bouquet of articles on Ramayana Role models from Ramayana Srirama , Sita , Hanuman , Jataayu , Sabari , Bharata , Lakshmana. Apart from these there were some special articles namely The Message of Ramayana , Going to the Forests and about Hanuman in "In the thick of the Battle " . Along the same lines are the earlier articles in praise of Hunuman 1 , Hanuman 2 and Valmiki Sundarakanda . Added to this bouquet is the Sundarakanda as a Telugu poem by Pandit Vijayraghavrao. We have also added some downloads specifically for the Sankshipta Sundarakanda ( with Sanskrit slokas) reproduced in different language scripts namely Sanskrit , Telugu , Kannada and Malayalam . There is also a Telugu Sundarakanda Katha for those interested in reading the same as prose story !!,. One more thing page lists all the earlier stories on its page To see what is available from the earlier issues you only need to visit the three pages of Ramayanam , Bhagavatam and one more thing. Each page of these banner pages carry the list of all earlier articles . The earlier articles on "one more thing" are also listed on the home page. Om Tat Sat _________________________________________________ Witty Wisdom ! - contributed by Kamaraju Turaga __________________________________________________ Welcome to Kasarabada.org: ARCHIVES	One More thing Hitam manohari cha Durlabham Vachah: Revisited A good advice and pleasing speech may not go together !! *What kind of a friend is he who cannot give a good advice !!* *What kind of leader is he who cannot hear a piece of good advice !!.* *A good adviser is one who will not tell a lie to please !!* These are part of a dialog in Bharavi's *Kiratarjuniyam* . Bharavi is one of the foremost Poets in Sanskrit after Kalidasa. The Kiratarjuniyam consist of many more such gems . *Kiratarjuniyam* starts with the spy deployed by Pandavas briefing Dharmaraja about theactivities of the Duryodhana as the King. Bharavi uses this dialog to drive home some truths that are invariably missed by leaders. That Bharavi stated them is a proof of the existence of contrary behavior evening thosedays. In any case the Vanechara , or the forester who acted as spy said in so many simple words -" I am your employee . It is my duty to tell you the truth . The truth may be pleasant or unpleasant . In either case I need to be forgiven because it is my duty to tell you the truth even if it hurts " . The Forester is more loud . he adds the second and third lines . He says what kind of a friend is he who does not tell the difficult truth and what kind of master is he who does not have the patience or the willingness hear the truth ". He adds a punch line saying a good adviser is the one who will not tell a lie to please . Real life may not be that simple We comes across choices where a line of action is proposed which is our own view and which also we know may be the line pleasing to the boss in question , but which may not be correct . But we will present it anyway in our own way , because we are in love with our line.!! If there is a line to be read and interpreted we continue to read in our own way even if it is the wrong way. The forester is emphatically saying that it is his duty to explain fully what he knows . His duty is not to become a protagonist but be able to tell fully so that decision is taken on all facts. In the original Mahabharata Story there is no such episode of a spy telling about the events in Duryodhana's kingdom. It is a creation of Bharavi . Which also means that by the time of Bharavi, the politics have developed into an art form. Apparently there were bosses who would shoot messengers hence the poet made a point to make the forester - the employee - say the home truths to his Boss . That Bharavi wrote in those days means that this kind of management problems emnated from that time . The management Schools available were only the Intellectuals or those Poets writing loudly to bring it to the notice of all !!! *Om Tat Sat* more.. To continue reading click here ______________ The earlier stories. On the Fortune on the Success The story of Sabari Charvaka School of Philosophy On Vedas from the West Jayamantram The story of a Bear ( from Ramayana) Ramudu-Sugunaabhiraamudu Sahasavidadhita na kriyam.. ... 'no not in a hurry'! Aham nasyaami .. I destroy !! contributed by Tuaraga Rajendraparasad. "It is not that the holy waters are not altogether Holy *An intelligent man should follow those actions that are consistent and within his realm of action* ..( more) *.. I am enquiring , that should be clearly explained! …."* Thus spoke Krishna.(more.). " Peace does not drop from the sky" says Dalai Lama. *Passing away of a stalwart:* Prof Bhavaraju Sarveswara Rao . ............ unison of thought speech and action Jewel of jewels' Who is Poor ? Green message from Bhagava... Music in our Epics what is kasara ?
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