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The Fourth valli starts with Yama elaborating on the

the two impediments in our ability to understand the real nature of Self or Atman. There after Yama tells about the nature of self and asserts “ this is that “ . By that Yama is telling Nachiketa that this is the answer for what you wanted to know . “ this is that “ is one of those aphoristic style of statements in Sanskrit which includes the question and the answer“

Valli 4 starts now:

"Some wise man being desirous of immortality with eyes averted inwards sees Atman within".

All the senses were created with facility to look at the outside world and so we are able to touch / see the whole world around us. But we are not able to look inside. No direction from within is sufficient to make the eyes turn inside. The ability to look inside comes with lot of struggle. Yama says some wise man with eyes directed inwards sees Atman within which is to say by controlling the senses the wise man is able to look within himself. In common sense parlance one is able to see an issue dispassionately only when he is able to disengage himself from both sides of the arguments. So is the case with Atman.

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1 "The Upanishads" Vol 1 by Swami Nikhilananda , Published by Advaita Ashrama, Kolkatta.

2 "Eight Upanishads" Vol 1, by Swami Gambhirananda, Published by Advaita Ashrama, Kolkatta.

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The Vedas

The Mahavakyas

Upanishads

Vedantic Enquiry

Kathopanishad 1.1

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Kathopanishad 1.3

Kathopanishad 2.1

Kathopanishad 2.2

Notes from Kathopanishad

- Blind leading Blind etc

- Good Vs Pleasant

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This week Sundarakanda moves to Chapter 57 .

The last sloka of Chapter 56 says Hanuman flew into the sky. Thus the Chapter 57 is about Hanuman descending on the Mahendra mountain from which he leaped into the sky in the first place in search of Sita (Chapter 1 ). Hanuman descends on the Mahendra mountain to the delight of everybody ! They all want to hear the full story and that comes in the long Chapter 58 !!!

Incidentally , there are some tid bits (covered under 'Ramayanam lO Pidakala Veta'). While Hanuman was giving his advice ( Chapter 51) , he refers to the Ravan's epic efforts in penance acknowledging that he is a bhakta in his own way . And looking at Hanuman, Ravana too has his bout of doubts . He says to himself .' is he that Nandi himself' ? Thus reminding himself about that Nandi who cursed him ! He even reminds himself that all that happened when he tried to move the mount kailash . These are small tidbits in an epic. Nevertheless they reinforce the Puranic stories. The main story of Ravana and his penance to please Lord Siva is probably part of Siva Purana . Adi kavi Valmiki while referring to these tid bits in Ramayana gives confirmation of the these other legends.

We can see that through out Sundarakanda Valmiki gives expressions to his views on a number of aspects of life ( like the thoughts about the angry man ! in chapter 56 ). While these thoughts are to be seen referring that time and that place , they are also universal truths. That is the greatness of the Adikavi Valmiki !!

The regular features as usual continue !!

The Telugu home Page is updated . We found work arounds for the technology issues . Hope to continue this page on a monthly basis !! keep looking !!!

The Kathopanishad in Simple words continues with Part3, as continuation of earlier Part 1 and Part 2 - this goes as part of our Athato Brahma Jignyasa. This week Part 3 completes the Kathopanishad Second Adhyaya with Valli4. The Valli 1 and 2 were part of Part 1 . Part 2 covers the Valli 3 which threads through a few concepts of duality Jivaatma and Paramatma, Brahman the Un-manifested and the manifested , and the two goals namely one of reaching heaven and the other attaining Moksha. . The Athato page also carries links to interesting notes on Kathopanishad !! . Now we have quite a bit of material on Kathopanishad; and it is not completed yet !!

With this Ugadi we started a page in Telugu titled - "Subbalakshmigari Kalam loninchi" . There is also a technology change. We are adding language support so that Indian language text van easily be accepted . Readers may see a bit of not so well formatted texts on the Telugu pages. Hopefully this will be resolved.

The extracts of an old book( 1899) by an Oxford Scholar on the History of Sanskrit Literature , appeared earlier under "one more thing" !!

For Telugu Home page click here

om tat Sat

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What is on the kasarabada.org?

For the new visitors we thought of adding a few lines on navigation , so that they may know what is available on Kasarabada.org !

We have 89 chapters of Dasama Skandha of Bhagavatam. All these chapters (stories on Krishna) are listed by name and are available on a link on the Bhagavatam page.

We have 56 chapters of Sundarakanda and also complete bouquet of articles on Ramayana. These articles include "Role models from Ramayana" namely Srirama , Sita , Hanuman , Jataayu , Sabari , Bharata , Lakshmana. Apart from these there were some special articles namely The Message of Ramayana , Going to the Forests and about Hanuman in "In the thick of the Battle " . Along the same lines are the earlier articles in praise of Hunuman 1 , Hanuman 2 and Valmiki Sundarakanda . Added to this bouquet is the Sundarakanda as a Telugu poem by Pandit Vijayraghavrao. We have also added some downloads specifically for the Sankshipta Sundarakanda ( with Sanskrit slokas) reproduced in different language scripts namely Sanskrit , Telugu , Kannada and Malayalam . There is also a Telugu Sundarakanda Katha for those interested in reading the same as a prose story !!,.

One more thing is a page where we get articles which could be on anything , informative and educative handled with a light heart and a touch of contemporary realities. The page lists all the earlier stories on its page

The last new column is Athato Brahma Jignyasaa . This page is focused on Indian Philosophy /Darsanas. This has been started a few months ago and all its earlier issues are listed on its page

In effect to have a look at what is available from the earlier issues you only need to visit the four pages of Ramayanam , Bhagavatam , one more thing. and Athato Brahma Jignyasaa. Each page of these banner pages carry the list of all earlier articles .

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Hanuman's Thoughts !!

As we continue our journey through Sundarakanda , we have seen Valmiki conveying a number of “ his thoughts through Hanuman !!. In the last issue we covered the Jayamantram and its relevance

In the chapter 55 we hear some more from Valmiki. This time it is about “anger”. This is what is stated:

“ What is it an angry man will not do? He can even kill his guru. He may be insolent enough to insult people who should not be insulted, he will stop at nothing etc. Only he is a man who overcomes his anger.”

Hanuman blaming himself for the possibility that Sita might have perished in the fire engulfing the city of Lanka moves into his familiar mode of thinking and analyzing !! . Then he talks about the anger.

As told by Hanuman ‘there is nothing an angry man cannot do! – He can kill a “guru” also “. He can be insulting behaving insolently to a good person ! Then concludes that only he is a man who is able to overcome his anger ( or others anger too!)

That is where our lessons start.

When you come across a man already lost in anger there are two people .

One who already lost the battle and is blaring away and the other is the man facing the barrage!! .

For the moment we will not worry about the angry man who already lost his battle! We think of the other one facing that anger!!

An intelligent man who is able to know this ‘problem of anger' is better off leaving the angry man to his fate!

Unintelligent man who tries to join the discussion hands an undeserved victory to the man who is already lost in the world of anger. The message seems to be that do not respond to that anger !.

Does it mean that such people get away by wounding “pride” of others without any damage to them selves? The answers are clear. Actually there are two questions in this . One is about the “bad” angry man who is seemingly getting away and the other is about the good person whose “ pride “has been wounded without

compensation !!

First is about the “bad - angry ” man !!

Such ( the bad- angry man type) people may feel vindicated at that moment because he was not told to shut up !!. But their retribution comes through their own realization that what they did is wrong and corresponding guilt and correction. If that (regret) does not happen their retribution comes through eventual annihilation of their world!! Because they will drive the good people away from themselves !!

What about the second – the “ wounded pride ” of the good man ?!?

It may sound difficult but if “ pride ” is part of the kit of that good man, it only means that he is yet to travel the distance of being a good man. The good man we are talking is about is a ‘ Sthitapragnya' who is not affected by anything including others anger etc. And he has no ego problems ( “ wounded pride ” etc)!!

So in reality the “ wounded pride” is not a matter of consideration. Still the question may remain as to ‘what should he do' – simply walk away?

The answer “ walk away' does not sound is very satisfactory. If it is between equals walk away is the best with retribution or regret happening for a closure. If it is between a boss and subordinate you should still walk away, even here retribution or regret happening for a closure .

This is also partly answered in Gita !

In a different context – in Bhagavad Gita - with Krishna while elaborating on “ Karma yoga” we hear a different yet same tune ! Krishna says do your duty, but if you see somebody not doing their duty do not correct them. Krishna literally says do not wake him up!!

Krishna elaborates and says you do your duty so that you set an example. The man wallowing in a different world not performing his duty will eventually understand and follow your example.

This inaction about correction would be troubling and is to be read in that context only – not when you are in a teaching mode or any such or similar context !!

More about that later!!

to continue move on to the page of ' one more thing " click here

The earlier stories.

Jayamantram and Management styles

'Peace does not fall from the sky'

History of Sanskrit Literature

Vurdhva mula madhassaakham ... more .. notes from

Kathopanishad -

Self as the master of the Chariot -notes from kathopanishad

Good Vs Pleasant from kathopanishad

Blind leading Blind - from Katha

Upanishad

The story of Ganesh Chaturthi

Manisha Panchakam Sloka 1

Manisha Panchakam

Who are you ??

Leader and the Led

Bhakthi and Self surrender

Why say so many words Part 2

Why say so many words Part 1

Gurus and lessons

Such a Simple message !!

Sundarakanda and the related Beliefs

Remembering Sribhashyam

Appalacharyulu garu

The methods of Elucidation

( Lakshana)

The story of the Jar/Kunda

The story of Devadatta

"Hitam Manohari cha" - revisited

Dasama Nyaya

On the Fortune - a demolition of its traits !!

on the Success

The story of Sabari

Charvaka School of Philosophy

On Vedas from the West

Jayamantram

The story of a Bear ( from Ramayana)

Ramudu-Sugunaabhiraamudu

Sahasavidadhita na kriyam..

... 'no not in a hurry'!

Aham nasyaami .. I destroy !! contributed by Tuaraga Rajendraparasad.

"It is not that the holy waters are not altogether Holy - Krishna

An intelligent man should follow those actions that are consistent and within his realm of action ..( more)

.. I am enquiring , that should be clearly explained! …." Thus spoke Krishna.(more.).

" Peace does not drop from the sky" says Dalai Lama.

Passing away of a stalwart:

Prof Bhavaraju Sarveswara Rao

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Unison of thought speech and action

Jewel of jewels'

Who is Poor ?

Green message from Bhagava...

Music in our Epics

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	Athato Brahma..... Kathopanishad (in Simple words) Part 3 *Kathopanishad!!* in simple words; Part 3 (Valli 4) Om *The Fourth valli starts with Yama elaborating on the* the two impediments in our ability to understand the real nature of Self or Atman. There after Yama tells about the nature of self and asserts “ this is that “ . By that Yama is telling Nachiketa that this is the answer for what you wanted to know . “ this is that “ is one of those aphoristic style of statements in Sanskrit which includes the question and the answer“ Valli 4 starts now: "Some wise man being desirous of immortality with eyes averted inwards sees Atman within". All the senses were created with facility to look at the outside world and so we are able to touch / see the whole world around us. But we are not able to look inside. No direction from within is sufficient to make the eyes turn inside. The ability to look inside comes with lot of struggle. Yama says some wise man with eyes directed inwards sees Atman within which is to say by controlling the senses the wise man is able to look within himself. In common sense parlance one is able to see an issue dispassionately only when he is able to disengage himself from both sides of the arguments. So is the case with Atman. (continued on next page) to continue reading click here Om Santih Santih Santih Om tat sat !!! *() References 1 "The Upanishads" Vol 1 by Swami Nikhilananda , Published by Advaita Ashrama, Kolkatta. 2 "Eight Upanishads" Vol 1, by Swami Gambhirananda, Published by Advaita Ashrama, Kolkatta. Click here to continue .... The earlier stories The Vedas The Mahavakyas Upanishads Vedantic Enquiry Kathopanishad 1.1 Kathopanishad**1.2 Kathopanishad 1.3 Kathopanishad 2.1 Kathopanishad 2.2 Notes from Kathopanishad - Blind leading Blind etc - Good Vs Pleasant	Welcome to Kasarabada.org Aug 9 , 2013 Kasarabada.org welcomes all ! This week Sundarakanda moves to Chapter 57 . The last sloka of Chapter 56 says Hanuman flew into the sky. Thus the Chapter 57 is about Hanuman descending on the Mahendra mountain from which he leaped into the sky in the first place in search of Sita (Chapter 1 ). Hanuman descends on the Mahendra mountain to the delight of everybody ! They all want to hear the full story and that comes in the long Chapter 58 !!! Incidentally , there are some tid bits (covered under 'Ramayanam lO Pidakala Veta'). While Hanuman was giving his advice ( Chapter 51) , he refers to the Ravan's epic efforts in penance acknowledging that he is a bhakta in his own way . And looking at Hanuman, Ravana too has his bout of doubts . He says to himself .' is he that Nandi himself' ? Thus reminding himself about that Nandi who cursed him ! He even reminds himself that all that happened when he tried to move the mount kailash . These are small tidbits in an epic. Nevertheless they reinforce the Puranic stories. The main story of Ravana and his penance to please Lord Siva is probably part of Siva Purana . Adi kavi Valmiki while referring to these tid bits in Ramayana gives confirmation of the these other legends. We can see that through out Sundarakanda Valmiki gives expressions to his views on a number of aspects of life ( like the thoughts about the angry man ! in chapter 56 ). While these thoughts are to be seen referring that time and that place , they are also universal truths. That is the greatness of the Adikavi Valmiki !! The regular features as usual continue !! The Telugu home Page is updated . We found work arounds for the technology issues . Hope to continue this page on a monthly basis !! keep looking !!! The Kathopanishad in Simple words continues with Part3, as continuation of earlier Part 1 and Part 2 - this goes as part of our Athato Brahma Jignyasa. This week Part 3 completes the Kathopanishad Second Adhyaya with Valli4. The Valli 1 and 2 were part of Part 1 . Part 2 covers the Valli 3 which threads through a few concepts of duality Jivaatma and Paramatma, Brahman the Un-manifested and the manifested , and the two goals namely one of reaching heaven and the other attaining Moksha. . The Athato page also carries links to interesting notes on Kathopanishad !! . Now we have quite a bit of material on Kathopanishad; and it is not completed yet !! With this Ugadi we started a page in Telugu titled - "Subbalakshmigari Kalam loninchi" . There is also a technology change. We are adding language support so that Indian language text van easily be accepted . Readers may see a bit of not so well formatted texts on the Telugu pages. Hopefully this will be resolved. The extracts of an old book( 1899) by an Oxford Scholar on the History of Sanskrit Literature , appeared earlier under "one more thing" !! For Telugu Home page click here om tat Sat _________________________________________________ What is on the kasarabada.org? For the new visitors we thought of adding a few lines on navigation , so that they may know what is available on Kasarabada.org ! We have 89 chapters of Dasama Skandha of Bhagavatam. All these chapters (stories on Krishna) are listed by name and are available on a link on the Bhagavatam page. We have 56 chapters of Sundarakanda and also complete bouquet of articles on Ramayana. These articles include "Role models from Ramayana" namely Srirama , Sita , Hanuman , Jataayu , Sabari , Bharata , Lakshmana. Apart from these there were some special articles namely The Message of Ramayana , Going to the Forests and about Hanuman in "In the thick of the Battle " . Along the same lines are the earlier articles in praise of Hunuman 1 , Hanuman 2 and Valmiki Sundarakanda . Added to this bouquet is the Sundarakanda as a Telugu poem by Pandit Vijayraghavrao. We have also added some downloads specifically for the Sankshipta Sundarakanda ( with Sanskrit slokas) reproduced in different language scripts namely Sanskrit , Telugu , Kannada and Malayalam . There is also a Telugu Sundarakanda Katha for those interested in reading the same as a prose story !!,. One more thing is a page where we get articles which could be on anything , informative and educative handled with a light heart and a touch of contemporary realities. The page lists all the earlier stories on its page The last new column is Athato Brahma Jignyasaa . This page is focused on Indian Philosophy /Darsanas. This has been started a few months ago and all its earlier issues are listed on its page In effect to have a look at what is available from the earlier issues you only need to visit the four pages of Ramayanam , Bhagavatam , one more thing. and Athato Brahma Jignyasaa. Each page of these banner pages carry the list of all earlier articles . Om Tat Sat ( info@kasarabada.org) Witty Wisdom - contributed by Kamaraju Turaga __________________________________________________ Welcome to Kasarabada.org: ARCHIVES	One More Thing Hanuman's Thoughts !! As we continue our journey through Sundarakanda , we have seen Valmiki conveying a number of “ his thoughts through Hanuman !!. In the last issue we covered the Jayamantram and its relevance In the chapter 55 we hear some more from Valmiki. This time it is about “anger”. This is what is stated: “ What is it an angry man will not do? He can even kill his guru. He may be insolent enough to insult people who should not be insulted, he will stop at nothing etc. Only he is a man who overcomes his anger.” Hanuman blaming himself for the possibility that Sita might have perished in the fire engulfing the city of Lanka moves into his familiar mode of thinking and analyzing !! . Then he talks about the anger. As told by Hanuman ‘there is nothing an angry man cannot do! – He can kill a “guru” also “. He can be insulting behaving insolently to a good person ! Then concludes that only he is a man who is able to overcome his anger ( or others anger too!) That is where our lessons start. When you come across a man already lost in anger there are two people . One who already lost the battle and is blaring away and the other is the man facing the barrage!! . For the moment we will not worry about the angry man who already lost his battle! We think of the other one facing that anger!! An intelligent man who is able to know this ‘problem of anger' is better off leaving the angry man to his fate! Unintelligent man who tries to join the discussion hands an undeserved victory to the man who is already lost in the world of anger. The message seems to be that do not respond to that anger !. Does it mean that such people get away by wounding “pride” of others without any damage to them selves? The answers are clear. Actually there are two questions in this . One is about the “bad” angry man who is seemingly getting away and the other is about the good person whose “ pride “has been wounded without compensation !! First is about the “bad - angry ” man !! Such ( the bad- angry man type) people may feel vindicated at that moment because he was not told to shut up !!. But their retribution comes through their own realization that what they did is wrong and corresponding guilt and correction. If that (regret) does not happen their retribution comes through eventual annihilation of their world!! Because they will drive the good people away from themselves !! What about the second – the “ wounded pride ” of the good man ?!? It may sound difficult but if “ pride ” is part of the kit of that good man, it only means that he is yet to travel the distance of being a good man. The good man we are talking is about is a ‘ Sthitapragnya' who is not affected by anything including others anger etc. And he has no ego problems ( “ wounded pride ” etc)!! So in reality the “ wounded pride” is not a matter of consideration. Still the question may remain as to ‘what should he do' – simply walk away? The answer “ walk away' does not sound is very satisfactory. If it is between equals walk away is the best with retribution or regret happening for a closure. If it is between a boss and subordinate you should still walk away, even here retribution or regret happening for a closure . This is also partly answered in Gita ! In a different context – in Bhagavad Gita - with Krishna while elaborating on “ Karma yoga” we hear a different yet same tune ! Krishna says do your duty, but if you see somebody not doing their duty do not correct them. Krishna literally says do not wake him up!! Krishna elaborates and says you do your duty so that you set an example. The man wallowing in a different world not performing his duty will eventually understand and follow your example. This inaction about correction would be troubling and is to be read in that context only – not when you are in a teaching mode or any such or similar context !! More about that later!! *to continue move on to the page of ' one more thing " click here* The earlier stories. Jayamantram and Management styles 'Peace does not fall from the sky' History of Sanskrit Literature Vurdhva mula madhassaakham ... more .. notes from Kathopanishad - Self as the master of the Chariot -notes from kathopanishad Good Vs Pleasant from kathopanishad Blind leading Blind - from Katha Upanishad The story of Ganesh Chaturthi Manisha Panchakam Sloka 1 Manisha Panchakam Who are you ?? Leader and the Led Bhakthi and Self surrender Why say so many words Part 2 Why say so many words Part 1 Gurus and lessons Such a Simple message !! Sundarakanda and the related Beliefs Remembering Sribhashyam Appalacharyulu garu The methods of Elucidation ( Lakshana) The story of the Jar/Kunda The story of Devadatta "Hitam Manohari cha" - revisited Dasama Nyaya On the Fortune - a demolition of its traits !! on the Success The story of Sabari Charvaka School of Philosophy On Vedas from the West Jayamantram The story of a Bear ( from Ramayana) Ramudu-Sugunaabhiraamudu Sahasavidadhita na kriyam.. ... 'no not in a hurry'! Aham nasyaami .. I destroy !! contributed by Tuaraga Rajendraparasad. "It is not that the holy waters are not altogether Holy - Krishna *An intelligent man should follow those actions that are consistent and within his realm of action* ..( more) *.. I am enquiring , that should be clearly explained! …."* Thus spoke Krishna.(more.). " Peace does not drop from the sky" says Dalai Lama. *Passing away of a stalwart:* Prof Bhavaraju Sarveswara Rao . ............ Unison of thought speech and action Jewel of jewels' Who is Poor ? Green message from Bhagava... Music in our Epics what is kasara ?
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